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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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before we explore the unexplained live

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on beyond explanation i'm your host lon

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strickler coming to you within a canon

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shot of historic gettysburg pennsylvania

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thank you for joining us

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a quick note

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so tonight we got a very special show um

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our guest is deborah jordan cobble

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and she is an ordinary woman with the

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habit of attracting the extra

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extraordinary

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after reporting a terrifying anonymous

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experience to bud hopkins pioneering

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researcher

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of ailing abduction phenomena deborah's

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life takes a dramatic turn as she

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becomes the central figure

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in hopkins best-selling book intruders

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and it's popular tv adaptation

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but while the tv series ended

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with a clear resolution deborah's

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astonishing story continues in real life

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in extraordinary contact

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deborah shares with the readers

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her close-up and personal experiences

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with ufos poltergeist the afterlife

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electronic voice phenomena premonitions

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synchronicities and non-human entities

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such phenomena are woven throughout the

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vivid tapestry of debra's life

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flourishes of the anomalous offset

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against the and everyday backdrop of

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factory work family and friends

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now spanning four decades extraordinary

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contact is a story of resilience and

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growth in the face of trauma tragedy and

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loss and an intimate first person

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account of what it means to be a

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lifelong experience of possible

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phenomena

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you can find deborah's website ufo

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information clearinghouse at

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debshone.com

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so deborah thanks for joining me this

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evening

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thanks for asking i appreciate it

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yeah i i i saw that you'd publish the

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book and i i read budd's book about your

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ordeal intruders

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uh and i i do believe i may have seen

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the the tv movie that was richard crenna

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and mayor whittingham i think it was

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that's right yeah and um

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though they didn't use your name and the

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family's name that you the story was

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yours

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um so let's go back

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to the very beginning

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where

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you and your family noticed the mark in

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the backyard

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well that was i can't believe it was 38

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years ago

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i know

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uh but yeah june 30th 1983

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i was a single mom and just not too long

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before that moved back home with my

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parents and i had two little

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little toddlers they were 14 months

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apart two little boys

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and um

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i didn't have a job at the time and so

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to to make extra money to help my

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parents i would uh cut out patterns for

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a gal who lived behind us who was also

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my friend

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she was a costume maker and i couldn't

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sew but i could cut a good line so

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i was about to go help her cut some

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patterns that night i was standing at

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the kitchen window washing my hands

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looking out and i noticed a light in the

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mom dad had a big swimming pool in the

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backyard one of those cement ponds we

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used to jokingly call it

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and uh

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the light shouldn't have been on the

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door shouldn't have been open and i

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thought something was weird even weirder

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about it but i didn't really put my

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finger on that time and i told my mom i

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said hey

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there's a light on in the pump house she

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said don't worry about it your dad can

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get it when he gets off work

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my dad was uh working at ford down there

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um second shift electrician so

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he wasn't home at the time

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but uh he would be home later on that

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so i i got i got ready to leave and i

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got my car and the house is like a is a

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tri-level and the driveway splits one

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part of it goes down the front of the

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house to the to the

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there was a two-car attached garage or

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one and a half car attached

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garage on one side and then the other

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side it split went down the side of the

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house past the swimming pool and then

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there was like a little turnaround in

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the back because dad had a workshop back

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there and he had his ladder truck parked

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in that little turnaround in the center

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of it

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and i thought you know what i'll just go

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down that turn around real quick before

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i leave just to make sure i didn't see

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anybody i'm thinking

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prowlers not

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aliens by any stretch

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so i go down there and i go i drive back

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up look over everything really well i

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don't see anything so i go on over to

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deanna's takes like two minutes to get

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there

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because one thing i did notice is that

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now the pedestrian door to the attached

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garage in the back was open and we don't

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typically leave that open

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so um

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i called her and i said hey the

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pedestrian door is open but i didn't see

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anybody out there and she said don't

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worry about it i'll just lock the doors

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you know your dad

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will be fine till your day gets home

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like okay

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so i hung the phone up and she calls

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right back

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and i answered it and she says uh i want

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you to come home right now.

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and i said oh you know she sounded like

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she was scared and that was out of

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character for her so i'm like well

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what's go what's wrong

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and um

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my friend's husband overhears this and

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he he you know her they can hear my

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voice i'm a little worried now and and

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larry yells over my shoulder tell her to

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call the police that's what they get

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paid for

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and she heard him and she said no i

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don't want anybody here but you like

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okay fine

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so i like i'll be back so i got my car

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and i went back home and i pulled back

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up that side drive again but i stopped

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before i got to the swimming pool

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because we had daddy had a um

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built a little uh like florida room

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there and i could see that mom was in it

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and so i stopped got out went in there

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and i grabbed the shotgun that was next

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to the trash compactor

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now mom says you know that's not loaded

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right i said yeah i know it's not loaded

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but whoever i come up upon isn't going

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to know it until i'm close enough to hit

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him with it you know

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i had requested dad keep that unloaded

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when we moved in because of my little

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kids so you know there was no way there

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was anything in it but

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i'm not i was at that time i was not a

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brave person this was out of character

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for me

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way out now

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is a different story but back then the

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fact that i even went out there

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even with a gun that wasn't loaded is

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was not like me but i did it went out

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looked around

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i walked back behind the swimming pool i

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found my dog under dad's ladder truck

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but she didn't come out she was a little

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like i don't know 40 pound beagle mix

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and um

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didn't see anything in the backyard

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so i headed towards the

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pedestrian door at the garage

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and i walked in there flipped on the

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light and i'm i'm walking around like

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elmer fudd you know throwing off a cuss

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word here there

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the only there was no one in there but

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the only place somebody could have been

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hiding was there was some box springs

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and mattress leaned up against one of

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the walls

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and uh i thought okay if

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somebody's in here that's where they're

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at and i started to head towards that

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and i suddenly felt like

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i felt like my body went on fire and i

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remember thinking oh my god i got to get

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out of here right now and i turned to

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run through that open door and when i

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got to the open doorway

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something hit me in the chest like right

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in here i guess the solar plexus or what

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you call it you know

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it was like the whitest light

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it was so white and intense and bright

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that it hurt it hurt my eyes it hurt i

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and i know my eyes were closed

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but

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i could still see it and i i couldn't

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move and it felt like every

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molecule in my body was vibrating it was

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almost like i could feel each individual

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molecule of me

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all shaking and vibrating

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and and time stopped i don't know how to

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describe it any other way is that i have

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no i have no idea

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how long i was in that condition

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time stopped in my mind i think i

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couldn't survive that for very long but

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i have no idea for real how long i was

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like that

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the vibrating started you know started

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to wane and started to stop the light

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started to get

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not as intense and to the point where i

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could start seeing again but now at this

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point i'm out of the doorway a little

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more and i feel like somebody's pulling

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on my

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at some point

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you know i can't remember when i felt

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like someone was pulling on my right

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shoulder from behind me pulling down and

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then it felt like somebody shoved a

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in my mind i i visualized a knitting

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needle that was like hot like poker hot

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from a fire or something right through

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my head right in my ear right to my head

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i can't scream i can't fight i can't do

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anything

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and

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then i hear this voice that say it you

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know that was quick

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then i hear a voice that says it was

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unfortunate that i felt pain and i don't

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know who said that i did not see anyone

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then i realized there's a ball of light

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out in front of me

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maybe 20 or 25 feet i'm kind of crappy

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with uh

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you know that

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distance

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but uh

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it's about the size of a basketball and

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it's soft it's easier to look at

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and it's about as high up off the ground

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as i am tall and i'm five foot three

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and it went down really low till slow

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almost the ground and then came back up

303
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again and i felt like

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it was looking at me

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i don't know why i felt that way but i

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felt that and i noticed movement in the

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yard at that point and my vision was

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shot

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it was like when you get your picture

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taken with the old time flash cubes and

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you don't blink

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yeah i remember how that was and then

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you can't see anything but white spots

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for like 20 minutes well that's the way

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my eyes were at that point

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i could see movement in front of me and

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i could see what i thought were kids and

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i thought in my mind why are these kids

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in my mom's backyard

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and uh they came from different parts of

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the yard and they all kind of lined up

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in front of me

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off to my right

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up closer towards the edge where the

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swimming pool fence started in the

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driveway was

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and they all kind of just started to

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slide they weren't really walking they

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just kind of glided down in front of me

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there were like six of them

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and that is when i i was watching them

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with my eyes because i can't move

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and then i see that thing

334
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we call it a craft

335
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because i

336
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we don't know what else to call it

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but in retrospect you know years later

338
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when i think about it there's no way

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that even six kids could get in this

340
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thing and fly anywhere because it was

341
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small it wasn't much bigger than the

342
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pump house of the swimming pool and that

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was

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maybe equivalent to like one of those

345
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aluminum uh mini barns that you could

346
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buy in the hardware store parking lot

347
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roughly about that size you know height

348
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it and it was shaped like an egg so it

349
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was bigger in the middle than at the top

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it was

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the bottom down lower

352
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and i couldn't really tell for sure

353
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whether it was all the way on the ground

354
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or not because

355
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i thought i could detect a slight little

356
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wobble every now and then

357
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but

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i couldn't tell

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i i couldn't

360
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every time i looked at it i wanted to

361
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look away i didn't want to look at it

362
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but i didn't want to not look at it

363
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because i needed to know if it was

364
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moving closer to me you know

365
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and um

366
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my vision was crummy and i did note that

367
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there was like

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legs coming off from about midpoint

369
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there was i saw a couple of legs where i

370
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thought were legs but they didn't look

371
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they didn't look like they could support

372
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much weight they were real skinny so i'm

373
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not sure what they were i don't know

374
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what they were i can just use my words

375
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that i have that remotely resemble it

376
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you know what i mean

377
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and uh like i said now i there's no way

378
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six of anybody even kids could get in

379
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that thing and fly

380
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to another planet from somewhere else so

381
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i have no idea what that was

382
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i don't even know whether i was in it or

383
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not at one point i don't remember

384
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so um

385
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anyway i remember at one point thinking

386
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and i'm still standing out here now

387
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,639
these kids are gone and i'm thinking oh

388
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my children because all this weirdness

389
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:13,040
is going on out here and my kids are in

390
00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:14,720
the house and then i hear that same

391
00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:18,079
voice say your children are fine

392
00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:19,920
then i hear my name

393
00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:22,079
well it turns out it was my mom who

394
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called my name

395
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,440
because and as soon as i heard my name

396
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,680
it was like somebody snapped a finger

397
00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,240
and i just completely forgot that whole

398
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last five minutes or so or whatever that

399
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:35,120
was that last thing i just told you

400
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was wiped out of my head

401
00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:40,720
and i remember turning and walking up

402
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the

403
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:45,519
upper porch

404
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where the kitchen door opened up to

405
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mom's

406
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head was hanging out the kitchen door

407
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:52,480
and she's like uh is everything okay and

408
00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:54,800
i said yeah everything's cool in my mind

409
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:56,720
now at this point i'm thinking

410
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i just want to go swimming i don't i

411
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:01,040
don't want to sew anymore i don't want

412
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to cut patterns

413
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,560
so i go back to my friend's house and i

414
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,839
say hey instead of doing this how about

415
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,600
we go swimming and i talked him in

416
00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:09,839
didn't take much talking

417
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,680
back and go swimming she's like yeah

418
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,160
that sounds good so they she grabs her

419
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,000
bathing suit and you know gets dressed

420
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,560
her daughter t like a pre-teen at that

421
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:20,160
time

422
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and she comes with us

423
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and we go

424
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,279
uh back to my house we're walking across

425
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,360
the yard to the pool and her daughter

426
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,120
steps on something and her daughter's

427
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:32,160
like ow you know she thought

428
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:33,759
my dean thought maybe she stepped on a

429
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,360
bee or something you know and we looked

430
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,959
her foot over real good didn't see

431
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,399
anything she

432
00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:40,639
insisted her foot was getting numb and

433
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,120
tingly and her leg was getting tingly

434
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,360
but we didn't see anything so we went

435
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,680
ahead and got in the pool

436
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:49,440
and at that point all of us are starting

437
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,440
to feel kind of nauseous and my eyes are

438
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:53,440
really starting to hurt and i'm starting

439
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:54,880
to notice

440
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,560
um halos around all the lights like

441
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,480
if you were a kid and you went swimming

442
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:01,839
and you opened your eyes in the chlorine

443
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,480
too many times and your eyes started

444
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:06,399
doing that weird thing while they were

445
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,560
it was kind of like that except i hadn't

446
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,639
got my head in the water

447
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,639
and deanna says hey let's go to white

448
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,079
castle maybe if we get something he will

449
00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:16,959
feel better i'm like okay you know

450
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:19,279
sounded like a good idea at the time i

451
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:20,320
don't know if you guys have white

452
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,360
castles or not but we used to yeah you

453
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,440
know what they are

454
00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,199
not really a good thing to eat if you're

455
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,120
nauseous but

456
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:31,279
uh i bet a bunch of drunk people in

457
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:34,880
indiana would argue with you about that

458
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,079
but uh anyway we went uh we started to

459
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,240
head off to there we got out dried off

460
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,759
but

461
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,440
we came to our senses before we actually

462
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:45,519
got there i think and then they went

463
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,759
home and i went to bed when i woke up

464
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:49,519
the next morning my eyes were swelled

465
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,040
completely shut

466
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,360
i'm not remembering that flash and that

467
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:55,440
light or anything feeling like i've been

468
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,040
hit by a train

469
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,000
everything on me hurt my eyes were

470
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,160
swollen and oozy

471
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:05,360
and my mom took me to the emergency room

472
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,160
and the doctor at the emergency room i

473
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:10,480
don't even know why he was there

474
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,160
he was actually an eye

475
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,559
doctor which i don't think you normally

476
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,799
find in an emergency room but he was in

477
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,480
the emergency room that day

478
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,640
and he had my asked my mom can you take

479
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,039
her across the street to my office

480
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,880
so i can get a better look at her

481
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:26,160
because i have more equipment over there

482
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:28,000
i can look at her better mom like yeah

483
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,760
sure so they took me over there

484
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:31,280
and he says

485
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,720
have you looked into the ark of a

486
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,400
welder's torch

487
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,520
and i said no and i'm thinking to myself

488
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,840
why why would you ask me that that

489
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,919
sounds like something some dumb person

490
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:44,160
would do i'm not dumb

491
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,280
but

492
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,120
you know and again i never said anything

493
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,039
to him about the light or my eyes

494
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,640
hurting or you know or anything like

495
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:52,160
that he asked me that they that they've

496
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,840
been hurting me for the last few days

497
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,360
and i said they didn't feel right last

498
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:57,280
night but

499
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,600
they weren't like this you know and when

500
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,679
i got up yesterday morning the morning

501
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,200
before they were fine

502
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,200
so

503
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,039
anyway

504
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:09,840
i you know creams and drops some gooey

505
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:12,080
stuff and drops and took several weeks

506
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,600
for them to heal up and my vision was

507
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,520
never right after that and i'll say it

508
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:17,039
real quick now

509
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,480
at the age of 30 something i was

510
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,240
diagnosed with cataracts and macular

511
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,919
degeneration

512
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,400
by the time i hit 50

513
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,880
i have all new artificial lenses

514
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,440
implanted because mine were just shot

515
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,360
and my macular degeneration remains

516
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,360
stable and it is dry

517
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,280
but i have to have dilation every six

518
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,360
months for the rest of my life so you

519
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,520
know and they follow me pretty close

520
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,039
and the weird thing is i'm like the only

521
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,039
person in my family that had that except

522
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,919
my older sister who had

523
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,080
she had has wet macular degeneration but

524
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,799
she's 70 years 70 some years old you

525
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:53,919
know mine was diagnosed in my 30s

526
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,640
so i always blame that night

527
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,440
oh yeah i i i can

528
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,280
that's pretty obvious

529
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,360
yeah i don't have any proof i can never

530
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,280
prove that and i'll say it right now i

531
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,200
don't know but i'm not a doctor but in

532
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:08,960
my gut in my heart of hearts i blame

533
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,440
that night on my eyes being wrecked

534
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,840
right and um i'm thankful i can still

535
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,160
see my i went real far sighted after

536
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,640
that it was insane i mean i'm

537
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,400
you know at 30 years old i was wearing

538
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,000
threes

539
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:24,400
so i'm i now with the new

540
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,200
lenses i'm at 2.5 i can get away with

541
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,799
2.25

542
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:30,400
but um

543
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,440
anyway

544
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,400
did was it was there anything specific

545
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,559
about the light was it radioactive or

546
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,400
anything like that that anybody could

547
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,679
tell

548
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,840
i have no idea you know my old man and

549
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,600
my uncle jim they were weird bunched

550
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:45,600
they had all kinds of

551
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,880
in the workshop right and uh

552
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,120
at one point i'm not exactly sure when

553
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,679
it was way before bud came i think daddy

554
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,440
and uncle jim um

555
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,679
that they had a either uncle jim brought

556
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,360
an old geiger counter over that he had

557
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,320
or daddy had one from like world war ii

558
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,880
and uh they were out and many are out in

559
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,400
the workshop mess with it and they could

560
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:10,080
get it to zero in the workshop but when

561
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,440
they got to the back side of the

562
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,039
swimming pool they couldn't get it to

563
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:15,840
zero it just would go crazy

564
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,240
they are not professionals

565
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:20,000
you know

566
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,039
i i

567
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,120
i'm just telling you that because they

568
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,280
did do that but i don't know if it's

569
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,480
even

570
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,799
worth anything you know what i mean

571
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:31,039
uh but uh

572
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,960
anyways it was the following weekend

573
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,720
which was just a few days i mean this

574
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,799
happened june 30th and and the fourth of

575
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,880
july weekend come up

576
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,440
and the family all get together swim

577
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,559
cook out fire off kmart fireworks and

578
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,840
annoy the neighbors you know that was

579
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,480
our family tradition so

580
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,080
we're out the kids come through the

581
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,679
house with their towels we're in the

582
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,760
house we're inside fixing stuff ready

583
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,600
for food and the kids run outside and my

584
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,440
nephew comes back and he goes grandma

585
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,760
what's wrong with your yard so all those

586
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,360
adults win now that and this was the

587
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,679
first time we saw this you know days had

588
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,720
passed

589
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,640
i don't know why no one noticed it or

590
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,280
looked out in the yard or anything but

591
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,799
all of us walked out there and there was

592
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,559
that mark

593
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,960
it was an eight-foot diameter circle

594
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,960
with a little pushed up on the side and

595
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,799
a big deep crack in it

596
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,600
it had a 49 foot swath that came

597
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,080
straight off straight as an arrow

598
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,919
exactly two feet wide all the way down

599
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:27,600
and ended in a perfect arc right up at

600
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,760
the drive near the driveway and

601
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,679
my mom

602
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,200
looks at it for a minute and she says oh

603
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,960
that's where our ufo landed the other

604
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,159
night

605
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:39,679
and i looked at my mom and i thought

606
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,559
what

607
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:43,280
and

608
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,280
thought why is she saying that

609
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,960
and it was like bam

610
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,320
something just

611
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,559
bam was like hit me with a ton of bricks

612
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,559
and i'm looking at this mark in the yard

613
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,520
and then i see these big black eyes

614
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,280
and then i remember

615
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,000
i'd seen these big black eyes in 78 and

616
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,480
that was not a dream and i completely

617
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:06,000
forgot about that i mean it was like

618
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,280
someone pulled

619
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:09,120
just pulled the finger out of the dyke

620
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:09,919
and

621
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,679
the next few days i was a basket case i

622
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,480
didn't wait for like two days

623
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,480
i just kept having

624
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,799
memories and images i remember the light

625
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:24,559
i remember being hit i remembered the

626
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,080
weird feeling i got a phobia

627
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,000
there the bathroom

628
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,919
upstairs bathroom has a little window

629
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,559
that overlooks where that mark was

630
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,440
even before i actually saw the mark like

631
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,960
the day before i started feeling weird

632
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,720
like i didn't want to go

633
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,720
in that bathroom at night by myself

634
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,840
because i didn't want to get by that

635
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,039
window because i thought someone was

636
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,039
going to pull me out the window

637
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,600
and i thought i know that sounds crazy

638
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
and i literally i i said

639
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,760
in retrospect i believe i had a nervous

640
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,480
breakdown honest to god

641
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,919
i had read missing time

642
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,520
months before and

643
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,360
you know i picked it up in a big stack

644
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,200
of books wasn't quite sure what it was

645
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,960
about when i grabbed it

646
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,440
had an idea then i i started trying to

647
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,919
read it and i had panic attacks

648
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,159
and but really i was thinking more of my

649
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,240
sister my older sister had an event in

650
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,600
65

651
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,760
that the whole family always knew about

652
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,400
and she stood by firmly and we believed

653
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:24,799
her she had no reason to tell us a fib

654
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,400
like that or make some crap up like that

655
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,760
and so

656
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,200
i but i

657
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,880
i didn't read that whole book but i did

658
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,400
know in the back of the book there was

659
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,919
an address where you could write this

660
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,039
guy if you thought you'd have this

661
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,320
experience

662
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,400
so i went got the book got the address i

663
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:42,960
wrote this 14 page letter i took 14

664
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,159
million polaroids of the backyard

665
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,320
and i stuck in an envelope and gave it

666
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,520
to my mom

667
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,440
now she hold she held onto it for a few

668
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,960
weeks she

669
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,279
she wasn't sure she wanted to open up

670
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,880
this is what she told bud she wasn't

671
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,559
sure she wanted to open up that

672
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,520
pandora's box and i'm like okay

673
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,840
but she said she was at the mailbox

674
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,279
mailing bills one day because i mean

675
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,279
back that's what you did you mailed you

676
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,480
you know you made out your bills on

677
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,400
friday and you went to mailbox

678
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,799
uh and something told her debbie's

679
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,240
letter is in your purse you need to mail

680
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,320
it and so she got it out looked at in a

681
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,559
minute stuck it in there and like a few

682
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,919
weeks later

683
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,080
i was out with friends

684
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:24,320
and

685
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,240
hey that guy who wrote that book called

686
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,440
you and i about flipped i got passed out

687
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,360
she's like if you want to call me back

688
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,880
she said this phone number's up there by

689
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,400
the phone

690
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,080
and i thought about it for a minute i

691
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,679
was shaking

692
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,760
and my heart was pounding

693
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,559
and i thought this is crazy

694
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,960
but i called him and that was it

695
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,360
three-year investigation i went to new

696
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,080
york a couple times he came to indiana a

697
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,440
couple times

698
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,360
well people don't understand back then

699
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,840
in 83 we didn't have cell phones

700
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,440
we didn't have

701
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,760
i mean we just had like compuserve just

702
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,960
was starting up in the 90s right 83 i

703
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,400
didn't even know how to

704
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:08,480
turn on a computer in 83.

705
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,360
so

706
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,600
i didn't get to spend that much physical

707
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,240
time with him and he did not hypnotize

708
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:16,799
me very many times i think maybe four or

709
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,640
five all totaled in the whole

710
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,159
of my life

711
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,480
because he was 1500 miles away we didn't

712
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,080
even have phone

713
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,679
he would call me once a week for like

714
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,480
five minutes but most of our

715
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,400
communication was written

716
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,559
i wrote him i wrote him letters and he

717
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,200
did make he set me up with a buddy

718
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,440
who i spoke to on the phone she was

719
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,799
older

720
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,880
and had been more aware of her

721
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,600
experiences for longer than me so she

722
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,840
kind of was helping me mentoring me and

723
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,960
guiding me

724
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,960
just giving me somebody that would i

725
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,520
could talk to without ridicule because

726
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,440
it was a different time

727
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,840
uh than it is now you think it's bad now

728
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,679
you should have been here 38 years ago

729
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,240
oh i know i know

730
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,159
so anyway and you know

731
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,720
for that whole year afterwards

732
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,679
um

733
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,279
paranormal activity ramped up in the

734
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,520
house we'd had it before

735
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,360
and i was i

736
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,200
you know to me it was normal most people

737
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:17,120
i thought everybody had weird stuff like

738
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,400
that happened to them all the time i

739
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,320
didn't know it wasn't normal

740
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,480
and uh but the paranormal stuff started

741
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,880
ramping up mom and i had another

742
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,000
very

743
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,799
spectacular i think sighting in

744
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,640
april of 84.

745
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,200
and um

746
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,000
you know the bud started working on he

747
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,240
came out and he interviewed neighbors

748
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,799
and we found people who had witnessed

749
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,320
him that night

750
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,919
you know two different neighbors one on

751
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,919
one side and one across the street

752
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,679
who'd actually witnessed

753
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,840
bright flash the lady across the street

754
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,279
said it sounded like a jet plane was

755
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,360
crashing in her house

756
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,520
she was a night nurse and she was still

757
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,840
in bed asleep about gonna get up pretty

758
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,679
soon but she said she woke up before the

759
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,760
alarm because it sounded like a jet

760
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,760
plane was gonna crash in her house

761
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,080
and she saw a bright flash and all the

762
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,919
clocks in the front part of her house

763
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,960
stopped

764
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,320
and the front part of her house was the

765
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,000
closest to my house

766
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:14,320
and then the lady next to us

767
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,320
uh the houses were divided by a row of

768
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:19,120
a

769
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,320
neighborhoods

770
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,320
and um she

771
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,039
reported to bud that she had seen a

772
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,760
flash from the backyard her television

773
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,480
screen went red i believe she said and i

774
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,240
believe her husband told bud that when

775
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,559
he came in from work

776
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,880
she was so upset and shook up that she

777
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,320
was like behind the couch or something

778
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,919
and she thought somebody was coming to

779
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:45,840
get her

780
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,360
and we didn't even really we knew who we

781
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,760
had said like hey you know what i mean

782
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,880
but we didn't really you know you know

783
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,120
talk so

784
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,399
um

785
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,320
yeah and then bud wrote the book

786
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,120
eventually he he got so much information

787
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:04,960
from so many people

788
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,840
that went for so long and so

789
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,760
far back all the way back to when my mom

790
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,039
was a little kid he's like i need to

791
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,880
write another book this needs to be a

792
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,760
book

793
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,919
and my family and myself at first were

794
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,320
like i don't think so

795
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,320
that that wasn't what we that was not

796
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,520
our goal here i just wanted to be

797
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,279
i was desperate

798
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,120
to have a normal life i wanted to feel

799
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,200
normal again and have normal life and i

800
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,200
was that desperate

801
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,039
i didn't want somebody writing a book

802
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,360
about us neither did my parents but

803
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,600
after talking a few more times my

804
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,200
parents were like yeah maybe we should

805
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,320
do this and i'm like okay and i took one

806
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,080
for the team so i was the one that was

807
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:46,720
going to be the spokesperson

808
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,600
but i was blessed because

809
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:51,520
i had

810
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:01,200
family i've had all the other a lot most

811
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,399
of the other weird stuff i've

812
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,159
encountered in my whole life has been

813
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,240
with somebody else not just me because

814
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,600
honestly

815
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,480
if i if it was always only just me

816
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:11,440
i would

817
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,000
doubted myself with other people

818
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,000
and you know i mean i was still

819
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,799
searching for the prose explanation on

820
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,159
things

821
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,679
uh so

822
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,840
but i've been i've been very fortunate

823
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,919
i'm like that's not how it usually

824
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,960
happens

825
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,520
so that's one of the reasons i decided

826
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,640
later to

827
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,760
write one

828
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,320
write it from my own perspective and

829
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:39,120
right you know do what i did but

830
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,960
yeah it's been weird weird yeah i know i

831
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
i you know i've heard so much

832
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,640
about different

833
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,399
experiences and

834
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,000
some of the things they go through i

835
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,600
mean just like with you and your mom and

836
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,919
your sister it's no doubt to me that all

837
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,320
three of you had experiences i mean you

838
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,000
did have some physical things with the

839
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,960
scoops and the scoop marks and uh you

840
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,679
know

841
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,399
back in 78 you lost a child under

842
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,760
mysterious circumstances

843
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,480
do you want to talk about that a bit um

844
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,320
i don't mind um

845
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,110
my air just popped

846
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,960
that's weird i have a weird sound in my

847
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,279
ear but no i don't mind uh yeah it was

848
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,159
before i had my son so um

849
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:26,960
i was engaged to the guy that i

850
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,840
believed was the father and in my brain

851
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,919
i'm always going to say that because i

852
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,640
have to live with it but i do remember

853
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,360
these i do have these weird

854
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,279
memories or

855
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,840
dreams or whatever you know i feel most

856
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,640
comfortable with calling it um

857
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:45,760
i

858
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,039
was 18

859
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,600
and um

860
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,480
you know

861
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,480
in my family if you're not married and

862
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,159
you live at daddy's house

863
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,919
and and you think and you think you're

864
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,960
pregnant

865
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,120
you make damn sure you are before you

866
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,559
tell him because it's not going to be

867
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,480
pretty yeah i've been there done that

868
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:16,080
i've that i've been through the same

869
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,789
and my dad you know so i you know my mom

870
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:24,559
took we went to the doctor

871
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,440
i had a pregnancy test and a ped and a

872
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,880
physical exam

873
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,240
and the doctor's like yeah you're

874
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,830
i thought i got well i thought i got

875
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,600
pregnant in december because that's when

876
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,080
i slept with my

877
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,480
boyfriend for the first time well the

878
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,640
doctor thought i was farther along

879
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,039
i felt farther along

880
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,960
and so i kind of dismissed that at the

881
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,559
time but

882
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,480
i had something weird happen to me in

883
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,120
november with two other girls

884
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,200
and uh

885
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,039
i do have some vague memories of

886
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,200
something

887
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
painful being done to me you know

888
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,240
so it could be tied back to that but

889
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,559
maybe not i don't know

890
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,080
but um

891
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,269
you're you have experience just by what

892
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,480
you told me

893
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,640
a lot heard from a lot of women

894
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,760
um

895
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,080
i had one experience here seriously he

896
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,240
was like 27

897
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,519
and had six

898
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,279
pregnancies taken

899
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,600
after right after the first trimester

900
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,200
and she knows

901
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,360
that they came and took the child

902
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,519
she just knows well when i woke up that

903
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,640
day uh you know it was in march i think

904
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,399
uh i've been babysitting for my older

905
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,159
sister and i fell asleep on the couch

906
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,559
and i woke up in my niece's bed

907
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:46,960
and i woke up immediately thinking oh my

908
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,760
god my baby's gone you know and i i

909
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,039
thought oh you're just crazy you just

910
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,960
had a nightmare or you know you got

911
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,960
weird pregnancy hormones

912
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,799
and i went to the bathroom just to make

913
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,640
sure everything looked fine and it did

914
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,640
but i couldn't shake it it kept eating

915
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,200
at me all day long and it was really

916
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:06,000
getting to me yeah so my girlfriend who

917
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,360
happened to be

918
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:08,399
the girl

919
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,399
previous november actually she's like

920
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,600
come on with me to planned parenthood

921
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,440
get a pregnancy test

922
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,720
and then you'll shut up you'll feel

923
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,600
better i'm like okay so i went and

924
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,279
the test was negative

925
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,120
and i remembered the look on dolores

926
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,120
face when that that woman told me she's

927
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,559
like oh [\h__\h] i gotta get her out of here

928
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,480
now because she about to go

929
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,960
i was so i was stunned when she said

930
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,320
you're not pregnant and if you don't

931
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,760
have your period in the next week you

932
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,519
need to contact your doctor and i'm like

933
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,360
what

934
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,960
so um

935
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,039
i told my mom i said something's wrong i

936
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,880
gotta go to the doctor i gotta go to the

937
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,440
doctor something isn't right

938
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,519
so she took me to the doctor

939
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,039
he gave me another pregnancy test and

940
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,880
another exam and then he said come back

941
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,480
in my office come into my office and

942
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,600
we'll talk

943
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,200
me mom and him

944
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,880
and he said well you're not pregnant and

945
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,399
my mom goes well what the hell happened

946
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,960
to it and he says

947
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,039
we see this sometimes i remember him

948
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,519
saying this we see this sometimes

949
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
it happens in you know

950
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,359
my suggestion to you is that you just

951
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,119
forget this ever happened you're young

952
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
and you'll have plenty of other kids and

953
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:14,639
my mom's like well does she even you

954
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:18,079
know does she need a dnc or something

955
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:22,560
because this is march and i got

956
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,560
was pregnant in you know january

957
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:29,040
and or you know middle end of january

958
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,919
and

959
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,560
he's like no she's fine

960
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,159
and i remember the last thing i said to

961
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,079
him is you know what i'm not ever

962
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,800
i'm not going to forget this

963
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,480
and but you know what when we left that

964
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,399
day mom and i didn't talk about it it

965
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,720
was never spoken about again in my

966
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,599
family never we never talked about it

967
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,040
again and then i went on to have my

968
00:34:52,349 --> 00:34:50,480
other two boys

969
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,359
you know in in

970
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,520
79 and in in 80

971
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,520
and uh

972
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
uh

973
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,480
i never thought i thought about it but i

974
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,560
never talked about it again

975
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,880
until bud came and the mark in the yard

976
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,880
happened and i don't know why i started

977
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,200
dreaming about that whole

978
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,560
time

979
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,800
and we had gone he had come to indiana

980
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,800
and we had gone to see somebody else who

981
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,640
had written him and he was going to

982
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,640
interview them you know you know do a

983
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,000
kind of an interview with them while he

984
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,680
was here so i went with him because i

985
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,880
showed him how to get to where he was

986
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,280
going i drove him over there

987
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,720
and on the way back i remember pulling

988
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,040
in the driveway and i just blurted out

989
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,640
to him you know i i

990
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,440
lost a pregnancy

991
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,440
and he and i remember the look on his

992
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,160
face god love him he he looked at me

993
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,240
like

994
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,760
oh

995
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,000
i'm sorry

996
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,320
but i could tell he thought

997
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,760
okay what the hell does this have to do

998
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,160
with anything and i i started to shut

999
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,960
off

1000
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,480
i'm like no i can't do this you know

1001
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,839
because of the way he looked and he goes

1002
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,520
are you okay and i'm like no i don't

1003
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,760
know why i feel i need to tell you this

1004
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,599
i don't know why i don't understand i

1005
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,599
started crying i said i feel crazy i

1006
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,359
feel like a crazy person because i know

1007
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,839
how crazy this sounds

1008
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,000
i don't know why i'm telling you this

1009
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,920
yeah you know

1010
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,680
and then as it turns out i guess it was

1011
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,760
probably a good thing i did or well you

1012
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,599
know he started getting

1013
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,480
like

1014
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
crap tons of letters from women all over

1015
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,320
the world who were telling and that's

1016
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,079
about the time a lot of this stuff

1017
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,960
started coming mainstream in in the uh

1018
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,839
the abduction scenarios um i i remember

1019
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,920
well because um

1020
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,400
you know the fact that the reproduction

1021
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,119
thing was starting to come in into you

1022
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,280
know into the scenarios

1023
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,640
uh

1024
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,160
and i was embarrassed i was embarrassed

1025
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,160
to tell him i was embarrassed i didn't

1026
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,599
want him when he first wrote the book

1027
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,880
i'm like you can put anything in there

1028
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,160
you want except don't put that in there

1029
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,160
i can't do that yeah and he's like why

1030
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,240
and i'm like i can't do that i said you

1031
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,320
know i lost a baby i walked around

1032
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,000
thinking i was pregnant for for a few

1033
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,640
months i i loved that baby and when i i

1034
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:59,280
lost it it broke my heart i i can't do

1035
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
that

1036
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:01,680
especially not connected with this

1037
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:04,960
because this is crazy right here and i

1038
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,599
already know that i no no no no no and

1039
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,720
he

1040
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,560
yeah i don't know what it was about that

1041
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,520
guy but he finally he says you know you

1042
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,520
he started showing me letters from women

1043
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,599
and i would cry when i read them because

1044
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,440
i really felt

1045
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,240
and i finally said what the hell okay

1046
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,760
i'm already screwed i've already

1047
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:28,079
just pile it on at this point i don't

1048
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,880
care

1049
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,680
we use pseudonyms even the place copley

1050
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,839
woods is a pseudonym right to protect

1051
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,119
our family

1052
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,880
mainly my kids you know

1053
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,680
but i you know i was out there my face

1054
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,200
was out there

1055
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,079
with bud because i felt like i

1056
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,359
owed it to he helped me to survive

1057
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,119
you know and i felt like i owed it to

1058
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,040
him to help him when he wrote this book

1059
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,960
and get the word out you know

1060
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,640
and so i remember when you were out on

1061
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,560
the circuit i i remember when you were

1062
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,640
out there i hated everything yeah i bet

1063
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,320
you did i you know i've heard that from

1064
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,119
other people as well it was uh

1065
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,560
not even just felt like it was an

1066
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,640
invasive privacy though they you know

1067
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,280
they they knew that

1068
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,680
and i i didn't mind talking about the

1069
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,440
the mark in the yard so much but when it

1070
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,000
got to the baby stuff

1071
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,440
and i still kind of mm-hmm you know i

1072
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:21,119
understand they'll kind of get that way

1073
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,920
again

1074
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,200
it is what it is and um all i know is i

1075
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,359
can tell you what i know and

1076
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,800
and the rest you're gonna have to figure

1077
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,280
out i haven't i don't you know

1078
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:32,400
anything beyond

1079
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,000
pure just fact is my own theory and i

1080
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:38,079
might be wrong hell i don't know

1081
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,200
but uh

1082
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,480
i'm just saying but you know it's

1083
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,560
so i i mean

1084
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,720
like i said i'm grateful

1085
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,040
and and my experiences you know in the

1086
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,800
beginning when i was young

1087
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,200
it was always so traumatic and i had so

1088
00:38:58,349 --> 00:38:55,520
much trouble with anxiety and

1089
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,359
even not so much depression but

1090
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,480
anxiety-driven depression you know

1091
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,960
anxiety seems to be the number one

1092
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,440
problem that we get from experiencers

1093
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,280
and i i you know i got diagnosed with

1094
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,520
ptsd before i even had

1095
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,480
stuff

1096
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,040
that could cause people yeah yeah that

1097
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,040
does not surprise me at all

1098
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,800
but i it's like

1099
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,240
you know now i'm

1100
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,280
good i have i have

1101
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,960
i have transitioned i have uh

1102
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,320
grown and

1103
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,119
i um i have

1104
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,320
let go of a lot of the fear and anxiety

1105
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,640
regarding this and i'm working on myself

1106
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,520
in other ways as well so i have made it

1107
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,560
through and

1108
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,440
i go to a therapist now and i do emdr

1109
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,359
treatment for ptsd

1110
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,760
uh because i watched my husband kill

1111
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,520
himself i watched my husband shooting

1112
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:49,040
commit suicide with a 12-gauge in our

1113
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,160
backyard

1114
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,440
and

1115
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,960
it or hearing it for three months so

1116
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,800
that tells you how powerful the mind is

1117
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,960
my mind wiped that too

1118
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,760
uh

1119
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,960
and i was standing out there with a

1120
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:03,520
bunch of sheriff department guys so we

1121
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:06,720
all knew what i saw yeah but uh

1122
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,000
and then in 17 or in 2013 i had a

1123
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,839
tornado come and destroy my house

1124
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,079
completely she did i i thought that was

1125
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,160
pretty remarkable and i didn't think

1126
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,240
that was it you think that was kind of

1127
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:20,800
cause about what was going on or you

1128
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,560
know i know it sounds crazy and i well i

1129
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,880
heard crazier but i tell the story in

1130
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,520
the book because i mean and even the

1131
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,839
lady who wrote that that book e squared

1132
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,839
pam groot i think her name

1133
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,440
uh somebody

1134
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,720
told her

1135
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,160
what i had said about her book and

1136
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,680
knowledge she wants to put it on her

1137
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,359
website and i'm like that's fine go

1138
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,000
ahead and put on your web page you know

1139
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,599
it it is crazy but i've been you know

1140
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,359
i don't know why my brain has kind of

1141
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,359
exploded over the last five or seven

1142
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,440
years or so with all these

1143
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,520
i'm thinking outside the box a lot of

1144
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,280
string theory and

1145
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,560
uh multiverse kind of stuff and

1146
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,240
i read that book he squared about

1147
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,920
manifesting things that you want in your

1148
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,000
life to reach out into that energy field

1149
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,440
and just pull it to you

1150
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:08,319
and i

1151
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,319
of the small exercises and then the next

1152
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,160
day there'd be like a 12 check in the

1153
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,359
mail or some some little surprise that

1154
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,520
i didn't you know expect

1155
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,520
well we bought this house

1156
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,200
we paid for it knowing we were going to

1157
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,280
have to buy a new uh roof furnace and

1158
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,520
air conditioner because that's how why

1159
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,599
we got a good deal on it but the roof

1160
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,200
looked pretty good but then my insurance

1161
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,440
company turned into a bunch of asses and

1162
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,119
they decided that if i don't put a new

1163
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,560
roof on it within a year they're not

1164
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,160
going to ensure it i'm like why it

1165
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,760
doesn't leak and it looks great what is

1166
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,000
wrong with you you know

1167
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:44,319
so i they i had a i started worrying

1168
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,200
about

1169
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,119
oh this move is costing me more money

1170
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,720
than i thought it was going to you know

1171
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,160
and i start stressing about money

1172
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,839
everybody does it you know when i've

1173
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,200
been reading her book and thinking i

1174
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,280
can't do that i can't worry about what i

1175
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
don't have i have to think about what

1176
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,640
i'm going to get what i you know i mean

1177
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,400
and changing everything while i was

1178
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,280
doing these exercises and i went to bed

1179
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,200
after reading a couple more paragraphs

1180
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,599
in this exercise and i i woke up and i'm

1181
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,599
like you know what what the hell do i

1182
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,839
have to lose so i got up

1183
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:13,520
came in my little girl my little she

1184
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,040
shed here got myself all zened up and

1185
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,400
booted up or whatever you know what i

1186
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,839
mean just trying to

1187
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,480
get my energy going and my inner stuff

1188
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:24,560
and and then i said i want a new air

1189
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,839
conditioner a new furnace and a new roof

1190
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,599
asap bam and i felt good because in that

1191
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,800
very moment i felt that it i already had

1192
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,960
those things i could feel it at that

1193
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,359
very moment that i said that and put it

1194
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:40,960
out there right

1195
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,960
so i go to bed and 36 hours later

1196
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,720
the tornado comes through town and my

1197
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,359
house is the only house on the street

1198
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,520
that is completely flattened

1199
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,520
the only i mean everybody lost shingles

1200
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,599
and roofs and things and other people in

1201
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,200
other parts of town were definitely

1202
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,119
don't get me wrong we weren't the only

1203
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,040
one 40 people lost their homes that day

1204
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,839
and businesses were a little town of 25

1205
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,440
000 we were wrecked

1206
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,599
but on my street i was the only house

1207
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,280
that was like it was like the tornado

1208
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,309
she needs a new air conditioner and

1209
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,520
we're going to get the insurance company

1210
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,359
to get her one i got a new roof a new

1211
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,839
air conditioner and new furnace and new

1212
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,280
everything

1213
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,280
it took 10 months because two weeks

1214
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,440
later there was 17 inches of snow on the

1215
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,920
ground but nevertheless and i told my

1216
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,599
husband he saw me reading her second

1217
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,960
book which is like

1218
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,560
e cubed or something like that and he

1219
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,880
said oh hell no i said don't worry don't

1220
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,000
worry

1221
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,079
he goes next time you do that be more

1222
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,880
specific about the delivery method why

1223
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,560
don't you

1224
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,720
interesting i mean i included it in my

1225
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,480
book mostly just because i thought it

1226
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,880
was kind of funny you know it's kind of

1227
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,760
a funny coincidental kind of thing maybe

1228
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,480
i mean i'm open-minded so i don't know

1229
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
i i think humans are powerful beings and

1230
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,440
we're more more more powerful than we

1231
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,480
think

1232
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,319
you know you talk about well money

1233
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,079
manifestation law of attraction that

1234
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,119
whole thing

1235
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,200
you know if you really

1236
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,599
if you ask for it if you really

1237
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,880
completely

1238
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,520
put yourself into it i've seen it work

1239
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,200
i have seen it work

1240
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,440
the universe

1241
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,440
has taken care of me

1242
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,200
my mom said i was the only kid she had

1243
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,720
that could fall into a bucket of [\h__\h]

1244
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,400
and come out smelling like a rose every

1245
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,040
time she had no idea how i was doing

1246
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,200
that i said i don't know yeah

1247
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,680
she said look at us we're sitting

1248
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,440
there we were sitting on my front porch

1249
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,040
having a cigarette i smoked at the time

1250
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,800
and drinking coffee she goes you know

1251
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,920
when you were little you told me you

1252
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,119
were going to live in a white house with

1253
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,280
a green roof and a porch swing

1254
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,040
and i said i did didn't i she goes look

1255
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,640
where we're at

1256
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,200
we were sitting at my on my front porch

1257
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,119
on my porch swing this big white

1258
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,920
farmhouse with a green roof

1259
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,520
wow i used to say i'm going to be

1260
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,200
divorced i'm going to be widowed i'm

1261
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,560
going to have a kid i'm going to do this

1262
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,480
i would tell my mom all the stuff that i

1263
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,440
was going to do when i was growing up

1264
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,040
and i did it and i didn't know what the

1265
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:04,560
hell i was talking about

1266
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,480
when i was a kid you know um

1267
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,040
let me ask you this um after everything

1268
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,200
you went through

1269
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:14,880
do you think

1270
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:19,200
detriment

1271
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,560
i

1272
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,920
people have asked me before would you

1273
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,599
change anything would you not have these

1274
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,520
experiences and i said

1275
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:28,480
i would not change a thing yeah it was

1276
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,440
hard

1277
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,440
honestly my therapist and i almost

1278
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,359
because she knows about this stuff my

1279
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,520
therapist she actually knows about all

1280
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,560
the weird stuff as well as all the

1281
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,480
normal life weird stuff

1282
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,560
and she said i really think that you've

1283
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,839
got through

1284
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,400
ko suicide and even the tornado

1285
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,920
better than a lot of people have because

1286
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,000
you already had experience

1287
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,319
with trying to get through stuff

1288
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,920
that

1289
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,839
you know you couldn't even talk about

1290
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,760
and were able to do that and i said

1291
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,160
that's bud

1292
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,480
for all my life i will always be forever

1293
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,240
grateful that i met him because had i

1294
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,359
not there is nothing about my life that

1295
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,760
would even remotely be recognizable

1296
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,760
wouldn't be married to the guy i am now

1297
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,440
i wouldn't have had the job i've had for

1298
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,160
15 years my kids wouldn't have gone my i

1299
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,920
wouldn't have my granddaughter nothing

1300
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,839
would be the same if it hadn't been for

1301
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,680
bud as far as i'm concerned if it hadn't

1302
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,839
been for bed i might not even be alive

1303
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,839
really when i got on that bus to go to

1304
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,000
new york for the first time i had the

1305
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:29,760
massive panic attack and almost jumped

1306
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,560
off halfway because i thought to myself

1307
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,400
what in the hell are you doing you are

1308
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:36,720
going to new york city big city and i

1309
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,760
was scared of being lost at the time

1310
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:41,359
and you're going to this big city all by

1311
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,480
yourself

1312
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,480
20 some year old kid

1313
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,720
to see a guy who wrote a book about ufos

1314
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,319
and aliens

1315
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,079
he could be a nut job

1316
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,240
you know you could be crazy and he could

1317
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,000
be an axe murderer what is wrong with

1318
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,400
you you're a mother and i just had this

1319
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,640
massive panic attack

1320
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,119
and i almost got off the bus and i'm so

1321
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,440
thankful that i didn't yeah i think

1322
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,359
yeah i think you should be great you

1323
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,200
know bud was a great researcher he

1324
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,640
really was i mean

1325
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,640
he was an even better human being oh

1326
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,599
yeah

1327
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,920
i mean for me i can only speak for my

1328
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,079
experience with him but i will tell you

1329
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,480
that for me he was a lifesaver he was

1330
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,640
one of the most compassionate and

1331
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,880
empathic persons i've ever known in my

1332
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,839
life my entire family loved him and his

1333
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,040
family

1334
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,520
just took me into the fold and accepted

1335
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:32,880
me and i mean i was so blessed

1336
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,750
well it's good to have somebody like

1337
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,760
that that can kind of walk you through

1338
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,920
the whole thing and uh

1339
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,520
you know that you can put your trust

1340
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,800
into and

1341
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,200
you know yeah i was lucky i got him in

1342
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,440
the beginning and you know yeah there

1343
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,280
was a point in time where

1344
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,359
at one point i kind of felt abandoned by

1345
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,920
him sort of like a little mad at him but

1346
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,880
i realized you know look you're doing

1347
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,880
fine now and there's other people out

1348
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,720
there that aren't and need him more than

1349
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,400
you did they were like you were when you

1350
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,040
found him so you know

1351
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,040
i had to do a little growing up

1352
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:12,480
and letting go

1353
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:13,280
but

1354
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,480
you know

1355
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,319
i i was very lucky

1356
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,680
do you think because of your experiences

1357
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,640
that you developed any type of uh

1358
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,040
abilities or gifts that you didn't have

1359
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,319
before

1360
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:29,200
you know that's been a question often

1361
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,760
asked and sometimes i wonder if

1362
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,720
you know

1363
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,800
did my experiences

1364
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,960
the early contact when i was younger

1365
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,520
facilitate some change

1366
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,920
that opened me up to

1367
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,280
things

1368
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,599
or was i born this way

1369
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,079
was there something different in me

1370
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,559
in my mom and you know inside of me in

1371
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,119
my mom's womb

1372
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,520
that attracted him to me you know it's

1373
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,200
like it's like which came first the egg

1374
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,200
or the chicken or the egg you know

1375
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,800
but uh

1376
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:04,720
i do feel

1377
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,800
listen i don't think i'm any better or

1378
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,480
any more special than any other human

1379
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,319
being because we all could do this but

1380
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,559
some something in my there's a switch in

1381
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,800
me that's been flipped on i've grown a

1382
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,720
couple of extra neurons somewhere some

1383
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,480
connections have been made

1384
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,440
i i think i can see things that

1385
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,680
a lot of other people can't

1386
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,359
i mean i'm not saying nobody else can i

1387
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,119
think there's i think there's maybe

1388
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,280
millions of people like me out there

1389
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,960
maybe it one of the reasons i'm trying

1390
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,559
to speak out is because i want those

1391
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,480
people because i know exactly what

1392
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,319
they're thinking and

1393
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,160
they know things and they ain't saying

1394
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,920
yeah i want them to be comfortable to

1395
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,800
speak out and it's it's okay it's not

1396
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,599
1983 anymore and we can talk about this

1397
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,480
and

1398
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,559
you know what i mean so

1399
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,119
but i i do i feel like i've uh developed

1400
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,720
some and i

1401
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:55,440
some

1402
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,920
knowing of people i i sense people's

1403
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,920
energies everyone's energy is different

1404
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,920
like a fingerprint i can feel when

1405
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,079
someone comes up behind me and i know if

1406
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:07,200
i don't know them because i don't

1407
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,750
but i'm exactly the same way that's

1408
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,800
exactly the way it feels it is and i can

1409
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,160
go down i can walk down the aisle at

1410
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,880
walmart and i don't even know a person

1411
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:22,720
but if i get close enough to them i can

1412
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,920
kind of see their life in a brief flash

1413
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,880
and

1414
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:29,119
if they're really creepy

1415
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,319
i don't even have to get that all i

1416
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,720
gotta do is walk by him and i'll be like

1417
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,309
yeah i think these experiences do change

1418
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,520
people and um uh you know i've you know

1419
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,160
i've heard i've heard of experiencers

1420
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,839
are abductees or how you want to call

1421
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,200
them

1422
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,599
be healed from different illnesses or

1423
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,359
ailments

1424
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:53,920
but you know there's something more that

1425
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,200
they're giving um

1426
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:00,160
you know intuitiveness maybe but i i

1427
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,240
think it's uh an ability to

1428
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,520
to project yourself and to be able to

1429
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,800
understand

1430
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,000
better

1431
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,640
uh you know i see the bigger picture

1432
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,880
yeah i see the bigger picture i see the

1433
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,800
oneness and the connection to all of us

1434
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,359
and you know it and it sounds woo-woo we

1435
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,880
and i would have been the first one to

1436
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,640
laugh at it 35 years ago but it's

1437
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,240
true yeah

1438
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,760
and yeah

1439
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,040
so

1440
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,720
amazing

1441
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,040
you know i um

1442
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,640
you and i talked about this before the

1443
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,559
show the kokomo boom why don't you talk

1444
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,760
a little bit about that if you don't

1445
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:38,720
mind

1446
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,960
one of the ways that i

1447
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
deal with things that scare me is to

1448
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,480
throw myself right into it i'm the

1449
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,960
person who jumps in the cold water

1450
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:51,920
so i joined mufon to learn more about

1451
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,520
ufo stuff you know to help myself and as

1452
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,359
well as help others

1453
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,880
and wasn't i had been a move found

1454
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,800
investigator for many years for like 10

1455
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,200
years and then i'd quit for a variety of

1456
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,440
reasons and i lived moved up here to

1457
00:52:07,780 --> 00:52:07,520
where i live now in the kokomo area and

1458
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,790
um

1459
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:09,280
[Music]

1460
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,160
uh

1461
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,160
i had it was i i know it was like in

1462
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,800
march i was at a girlfriend's house

1463
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,160
and i had driving home through the

1464
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,599
country i saw

1465
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,680
these three orange balls of light they

1466
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,160
appeared one at a time they were low

1467
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,160
they were large and they kind of danced

1468
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,880
around each other before they popped out

1469
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,720
and i'm like whoa

1470
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,319
and i hurried home

1471
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,800
and i i remember running to i was

1472
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,720
ducking don't ask me why i was like

1473
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,880
ducking as i ran from my car to my front

1474
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,880
porch right but i told my husband about

1475
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,200
it he kind of was like whatever you know

1476
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,520
i'm like i'm gonna show you i got me a

1477
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,680
camcorder that would do low light i

1478
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,480
still

1479
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,800
sucked at using it but i i bought one

1480
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,640
and i started hanging out at the local

1481
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,800
parks and everywhere

1482
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,400
outside at night because i was bound to

1483
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,640
determine to catch these

1484
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,400
because i saw one other time with a

1485
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,720
couple of the people and i didn't have

1486
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,119
any way to record them this was you know

1487
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,800
before cell phones had good cameras on

1488
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,520
them and stuff right so

1489
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,559
i uh

1490
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,720
was at i was out

1491
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:11,920
that night

1492
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,200
at jackson morrow park and i did record

1493
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,040
one orange ball of light came in and i

1494
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,559
knew another at least one more was going

1495
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,440
to come in and it started to manifest

1496
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,839
and then i i could see

1497
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,079
jets coming from the north

1498
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:28,240
and it wasn't too long before i realized

1499
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,280
they were

1500
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,599
air force jets and i knew i was in a moa

1501
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,440
so and i mean we we live close to

1502
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,760
grissom so it's we see them

1503
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,200
um

1504
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,880
but the orange light popped out real

1505
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,359
quick and then the jets came and were

1506
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,520
crisscrossing they were like looking for

1507
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:44,960
something they were crisscrossing the

1508
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,000
entire moa back and forth and i knew

1509
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:50,079
they were looking for something mm-hmm

1510
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,440
and um

1511
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,680
but it got to be in late had to go to be

1512
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,520
at work at 6 30 next morning i had a big

1513
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:57,119
cup of coffee i had to pee so i had to

1514
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,240
go home

1515
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,559
so i got home but i kept thinking i'm

1516
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,359
gonna miss something i just felt it and

1517
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,680
i stood out on my end of my driveway and

1518
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,079
i recorded in the area where i had been

1519
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:09,599
couldn't see anything but all of a

1520
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,640
sudden

1521
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,880
every wild animal and every dog in the

1522
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,800
neighborhood started howling and cra it

1523
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,480
was creepy

1524
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,880
and i i managed to record that on my

1525
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,400
video recorder

1526
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,480
until i couldn't hold my pee any longer

1527
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,200
so i went in i gave up i went in the

1528
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,800
house went to bathroom put my nightgown

1529
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,040
on went into my office to try to get

1530
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,440
this videotape off of my

1531
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,760
recorder and onto my computer

1532
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,839
and i just remembered looking up at the

1533
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,119
clock and

1534
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,839
this bright oranges yellow flash of

1535
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,200
light bam

1536
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:43,280
the whole house shook

1537
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:44,400
and

1538
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:45,200
this

1539
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,359
filled the room because i had windows on

1540
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,680
two sides

1541
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:54,400
and i heard a big thump on my roof and i

1542
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,119
thought

1543
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,680
what the hell is that i ran and tried to

1544
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,200
wake my husband up i'm like did you hear

1545
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,520
that did you hear that he didn't hear it

1546
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:03,920
and then uh

1547
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,119
in my mind i thought oh

1548
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,599
those jets they were crisscrossing must

1549
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,440
have crashed into each other and that

1550
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,119
thump i heard

1551
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,720
because we i only lived a couple miles

1552
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:16,960
from there that thump i heard was some

1553
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,920
you know air pilot jettison out of his

1554
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,799
you know

1555
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,680
uh

1556
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,920
out of his airplane when it crashed so i

1557
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,520
grabbed my house coat and i'm right

1558
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,200
outside my galoshes running around in

1559
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,839
the yard looking for a body in a in a

1560
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,000
parachute you know because i'm thinking

1561
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,400
that's what i heard yeah then my phone

1562
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,400
brings my son calls me the cab driver

1563
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,960
works the late shift and he's like mom

1564
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,559
are you guys all right i'm like yeah why

1565
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:42,960
what's going on so then he tells me

1566
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,720
we've been pulled off the road by uh the

1567
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,160
police department has pulled all of our

1568
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,240
cars off the road told us to stay out

1569
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,720
off the road and he said that they said

1570
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,480
there's a plane crash over by the house

1571
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,760
and i'm like whoa

1572
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,400
you know what i ran upstairs and i got

1573
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,640
on the computer and i turned on i went

1574
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,280
to the police radio scanner site and i

1575
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,520
hit the record button

1576
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,160
and i ended up recording it for a lot of

1577
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,079
multiple hours maybe five hours of

1578
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,760
recordings

1579
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:13,440
they said some

1580
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,040
interesting stuff that yeah yeah like oh

1581
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,000
i'm at the only known debris site yeah

1582
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,920
you know somebody call up a grissom and

1583
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,680
ask them what's going on you know all

1584
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:25,599
kinds of stuff until they

1585
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,069
network but it took a while you know and

1586
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,839
they had like 148 or 149 calls come in

1587
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,880
from people

1588
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,880
all over the place different counties

1589
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,640
and some people closer to the area

1590
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,079
reported

1591
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,359
seeing a bright flash in the sky and

1592
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,760
they thought a plane had was you know

1593
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,599
two planes had crashed

1594
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,760
and i think a few people actually even

1595
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,960
reported a ufo in the area

1596
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,040
so oh there were no were you of those

1597
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:59,040
sites you know i remember that

1598
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,319
exactly

1599
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,079
when it happened i you know i for

1600
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,400
whatever reason i got a call

1601
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,040
from somebody in kokomo and told me that

1602
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:09,119
something's going on and you know

1603
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,880
kokomo has had a history of ufo you know

1604
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,359
activity i i think there's no it's not a

1605
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:17,920
coincidence that i landed here

1606
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,570
probably

1607
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,160
[Laughter]

1608
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,799
but uh you know when when things start

1609
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,640
coming out about this

1610
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,400
i don't know what you think i personally

1611
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,440
believe a spa i mean a ufo crafter or

1612
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,599
something literally either exploded or

1613
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:32,640
crashed

1614
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,319
and uh yeah yeah and because it was um

1615
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,079
now the fact that you said that your son

1616
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,839
and all the other drivers got pulled i

1617
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,839
never heard that before yeah he was a

1618
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,599
cab driver and their dispatch said

1619
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,000
everybody off the road uh well see

1620
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:47,599
that's

1621
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,319
something really weird happened

1622
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,280
definitely yeah interesting

1623
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,400
well

1624
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,839
i'm glad i talked to you about that

1625
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,760
because that's firsthand information

1626
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,160
from me because i it always intrigued me

1627
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,480
i just didn't know what exactly it was

1628
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,640
but of course the next day when the news

1629
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,480
came out they were talking about ufo

1630
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:10,400
sightings and lights in the sky and this

1631
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,280
and that

1632
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,839
but really there wasn't a whole much

1633
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,000
of it beyond that but uh yeah

1634
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,040
interesting

1635
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,119
well deborah you know um

1636
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,200
tell everyone about your book where they

1637
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,480
can get it and your website and

1638
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,880
what you do over there

1639
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:28,160
um

1640
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,520
my website is called uh deb's ufo

1641
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:33,839
information clearinghouse and the url

1642
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,200
for it is www.dev

1643
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:40,319
and my husband is my webmaster we try to

1644
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,119
put

1645
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,480
the current news science and and ufo

1646
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,880
stuff and even other paranormal

1647
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,559
encrypted stuff when we find it on there

1648
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,720
to share and i

1649
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,400
you know share some of my stories

1650
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,599
there's a few things on there that

1651
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,359
aren't in the book and some things that

1652
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,720
i happen

1653
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,599
i was bad girl 15 years working in a

1654
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,839
factory i didn't update my blogs and

1655
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,440
things like i should but now that i'm

1656
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,200
going to be retired and i am basically

1657
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,680
retired i hopefully will be vlogging on

1658
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,319
there and you can uh also email me

1659
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,160
through the website there and the book

1660
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,920
extraordinary contact life beyond

1661
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,480
intruders you can get it at amazon

1662
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:18,720
books a million barnes and nobles any of

1663
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,000
your uh bigger online booksellers and it

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00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,440
is also available on kindle

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00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:27,200
and hopefully one day well hopefully one

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00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,400
day i'll get a

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00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,359
an audio book of it oh

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00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,680
absolutely you know it it it gives a

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00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,839
real nice

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00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:36,720
uh

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00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,839
it kind of rounds out book buds book and

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00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,480
uh and people if you if you but we talk

1673
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:44,240
about bud the bud hopkins book was

1674
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,440
intruders

1675
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:48,880
and uh that's kind of the classic

1676
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,960
book about uh alien experiencers and um

1677
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:55,119
i highly recommend it than to read yours

1678
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,480
afterwards

1679
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,319
so deborah thanks again for coming on i

1680
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,400
really appreciate it and

1681
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,880
you have a good weekend i will you do

1682
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,880
the same okay take care

1683
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,670
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1684
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,359
setting feel free to contact me through

1685
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,599
the phantoms and monsters blog site

1686
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,359
i want to again thank deborah jordan

1687
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,520
cobble for joining me this evening and

1688
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,760
thanks to each and all of you

1689
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,599
for watching and chatting and if you

1690
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,599
made a super chat donations truly

1691
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,880
appreciated

1692
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,280
your support is what makes this possible

1693
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,559
please like

1694
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,280
subscribe and share

1695
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,839
so i think next week oh i don't even

1696
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:35,760
know i you know i've been so busy now i

1697
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,480
did a recording i did a recording on a

1698
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,040
live show before i did this one tonight

1699
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,520
so and i had i don't know if you saw the

1700
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,760
maintenance guy go by here i had a water

1701
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,240
leak in my in my place so

1702
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,640
i'm kind of scattered brain but thanks

1703
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,200
again for hanging with me so until next

1704
01:01:05,430 --> 01:00:54,559
week stay healthy have a safe and

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:18,080
[Music]

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01:01:18,090 --> 01:01:28,710
[Applause]

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so